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Monday, June 14, 2010

Carl Sagan on natural laws/constellations

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Carl Sagan on natural laws/constellations
��� Carl Sagan on natural laws/constellations
The desire to be connected
with the cosmos...
...reflects a profound reality...
...for we are connected.
Not in the trivial ways that the
pseudo-science of astrology promises...
...but in the deepest ways.
Our little planet is
under the influence of a star.
The sun warms us. It drives the weather.

(We now know that not all life depends on sunlight.)
It sustains all living things.
(Life may even have begun in the sunless depths.)
Four billion years ago,
it brought forth life on Earth.
But our sun...
...is only one of
a billion trillion stars...
...within the observable universe.
And those countless suns

all obey natural laws...
...some of which are
already known to us.
How did we discover
that there are such laws?
If we lived on a planet
where nothing ever changed...
...there wouldn't be much to do.
There'd be nothing to figure out.
There'd be no impetus for science.

And if we lived in
an unpredictable world...
...where things changed
in random or complex ways...
...we wouldn't be able
to figure things out.
And again, there'd be
no such thing as science.
But we live in
an in-between universe...

...where things change, all right...
...but according to patterns, rules...
...or as we call them,
laws of nature.
If I throw a stick up in the air...
...it always falls down.
If the sun sets in the west...
...it always rises again
the next morning in the east.
And so, it's possible

to figure things out.
We can do science, and with it
we can improve our lives.
Human beings are good
at understanding the world.
We always have been.
We were able to hunt game
or build fires...
...only because we had
figured something out.

There once was a time...
...before television...
...before motion pictures,
before radio, before books.
The greatest part of human existence
was spent in such a time.
And then over the dying embers
of the campfire...
...on a moonless night...
...we watched the stars.

The night sky is interesting.
There are patterns there.
If you look closely,
you can see pictures.
One of the easiest constellations
to recognize...
...lies in the northern skies.
In North America,
it's called the Big Dipper.
The French have a similar idea.

They call it La Casserole.
'The casserole.'
In medieval England,
the same pattern of stars...
...reminded people of
a simple wooden plow.
The ancient Chinese had
a more sophisticated notion.
To them these stars carried...
...the celestial bureaucrat on

his rounds about the sky...
...seated on the clouds
and accompanied...
...by his eternally
hopeful petitioners.
The people of northern Europe
imagined another pattern.
To them it was
Charles' Wain, or wagon.
A medieval cart.

But other cultures saw these seven
stars as part of a larger picture.
It was the tail of a great bear...
...which the ancient Greeks
and Native Americans saw...
...instead of the handle of a dipper.
But the most imaginative interpretation
of this larger group of stars...
...was that of the ancient Egyptians.
They made out a curious procession

of a bull and a reclining man...
...followed by a strolling hippopotamus
with a crocodile on its back.
What a marvelous diversity
in the images various cultures saw...
...in this particular constellation.
But the same is true
for all the other constellations.
Some people think these things
are really in the night sky...

...but we put these pictures
there ourselves.
We were hunter folk...
...so we put hunters and dogs...
...lions and young women
up in the skies.
All manner of things
of interest to us.
When 17th century European sailors
first saw the southern skies...

...they put all sorts of things
of 17th century interest up there.
Microscopes and telescopes,
compasses...
...and the sterns of ships.
If the constellations had been
named in the 20th century...
...I suppose we'd put there
refrigerators and bicycles...
...rock stars,

maybe even mushroom clouds.
A new set of human hopes and fears...
...placed among the stars.
But there's more to the stars
than just pictures.
For example, stars always
rise in the east...
...and always set in the west...
...taking the whole night to cross
the sky if they pass overhead.

There are different constellations
in different seasons.
The same constellations always rise
at, say, the beginning of autumn.
It never happens that
a new constellation...
...suddenly appears out of the east,
one that you never saw before.
There's a regularity, a permanence...
...a predictability about the stars.
In a way, they're almost comforting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iviw7umSazo
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Chapter Three | God vs. the Bible

Source: www.godvsthebible.com
As previously stated, evolution is the least of the Bible’s problems. The Bible’s assertions regarding the natural universe can be debunked by the most remedial scientific knowledge that every child should know. ...
��� Matthew 24:29 (Jesus said) …and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Knowing what we know today about the true nature of stars, we should realize that even as a metaphor the concept of stars “falling” to earth is silly (stars aren’t within the earth’s gravitational pull, so they can’t fall to the earth). The stars are individual suns. Even if a star were cast to the earth, it would have brought the end of the world in chapter 6 of Revelation (which might at least spare the Bible student the burden of having to read the remainder of this incoherent story).
http://www.godvsthebible.com/chapter03
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The God of Science (ft. Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan, & Arthur C. Clarke)

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Scientists have a rational, intelligent conversation about God. We all could take a lesson from Carl Sagan, to approach this issue with a little humility. Excerpts from 'God, the Universe, and Everything Else' 1988.
��� The God of Science (ft. Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan, & Arthur C. Clarke) Professor Hawking,in the very last paragraph of your book you say that if we discover a complete theory of the universe then it should be in time understandable in broad principle to everyone and not to just a few scientist,and when that happens all of us will be able to start discussing the 'why' rather than the 'how' and i quote "if we find the answer to that it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason,for then will we know the mind of God."

Do you think God can intervene in the universe as he wants or is God too bound by the laws of science? (Hawking) the question of whether God is bound by the laws of science it's a bit like the question, ' Can God make a stone that is so heavy that he can not lift it?' I don't think it is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not be able to do,rather we should examine what he actually does with the universe we live in.

All our observations suggest that it operates according to well-defined laws.These laws may have been ordained by God but is seems that he does not intervene in the universe to break the laws at least not once he has set the universe going; However, until recently it was thought that the laws would necessarily breakdown at the beginning of the universe.

That would have meant God would have had complete freedom to choose how the universe begin.In the last few years however we have realized that the laws of science may hold even at the beginning of time,In that case God would have had no freedom,the way the universe began would be determined by the laws of science.

Carl Sagan, in your introduction to the book you commented on this.You said,'This is also about God or perhaps about the absence of God since Hawking left nothing for a Creator to do.' Now,God of course means many things to many people what sort of God basically are we talking about when we talk about 'reading the mind of God'?

( Carl Sagan) I think that's an excellent question and i'd be most interested to hear Stephen Hawking's answer but just to try to illuminate the range of possibilities consider two alternatives. One is the,the ,uh,notion that is popular in the west of God as a sort of outsized ,elderly white male with a long white beard sitting on a throne on the sky and tallying the fall of every sparrow.Uh,contrast that with the idea of God in the mind of,let's say,Spinoza.... or Einstein which was,at least very closely, the sum total of the laws of the universe.

Now it would be madness to deny that there are well defined laws in the universe. And if that's what you mean by God then there's no question that God exist but is a very remote God...what the French call 'Roi fainzant', a do-nothing king'. On the other hand the former model of the one who intervenes daily for that there seems to be, as Doctor Hawking said, no evidence.

I think it is wise ,my own personal feeling, to be a little humble on such matters.We must recognize that we are dealing with,by definition,the most difficult things... to know the furthest from human experience and perhaps we will be able to penetrate a little way into these mysteries.

(Hawking) I used 'God' in the same sense that Einstein did.It is really the reason why the universe is as it is,ad why the universe exists at all. I understand that in the earliest days of civilization then the priest were in fact what we call the scientist,the ones who could study Astronomy ,and who could predict eclipses and things. Do you see these scientist coming back into an almost sacerdotal position like this or am I over stating it?

( Carl Sagan) I hope you're over stating it. I think the essence of the scientific method is the willingness to admit you're wrong,the willingness to abandon ideas that don't work. And the essence of religion is not to change anything.The supposed truths are handed down by some revered figure and then no one is supposed to make any progress beyond that because the truth is thought to be in the hand.

My sense is that the scientific way of thinking: question,some delicate mix of creative encouragement of new ideas,and the most rigorous and skeptical scrutiny of new and old ideas.Uh,I think that is the path to the future,not just for science but for all human institutions.

We have to be willing to challenge because we are in desperate need of change. ' Science without religion is lame,religion with out science is blind.'-Albert Einstein.because we are in desperate need of change.

[ Arthur C.Clarke] Politics and religion are obsolete. The time has come for science and spirituality.[Hawking] I don't think that physics can tell us how to behave to our neighbors. Well,physics may determine who our neighbors are and on what planet they live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cQI1dRvYvk
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Isaiah 53 - Jesus Christ

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'The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and ...
��� Isaiah 53:3-5 (King James Version)

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted
with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised,
and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did
esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.


5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our
iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his
stripes we are healed.


Afrikan Culture - Dr. Amos Wilson

Europeans amuse me any way talking about their cultural traditions.' And
what great traditions they have bought to the world.' TRADITION IS WHAT
YOU DO.'

Yeah' And it an insult to an African men to have Europeans
talk about their great traditions.' You may talk about your
'philosophy' but that's not your 'tradition' You may talk about your
religion' but that's not your tradition' or if it is your tradition'
then no matter how beautiful it sound' I MUST REJECT IT! because it
enslaved me.' IT OPPRESSED ME.' And the whole 'dent'. you see.' So uh,
And i don't care how sweet it sounds,and how logically it is put
together.' or how literate it may be.'

The ultimate thing is, in what
way it express, itself in relationship to me and my people.' And if
this is the outcome of European tradition,then that tradition must be
rejected!

You must understand ladies and gentlemen what Europeans call
great traditions goes hand and hand with their capacity to kill.' You
know the Germans: I couldn't understand, you know we were literary
people,and we were,you know this and that,but that's one of the reason
why you were able to kill the way you did,because that was also in there
as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeD__-jJyQM&feature=related
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Dr. Clarke:Black Liberation Was Just A Bunch Of Talk

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http://www.blackhistorychannel.org/ Dr.John Henrik Clarke are we ready for the 21st century
��� Dr. Clarke was quoted as saying, “We cannot separate folklore and myth from truth. Folklore is both beautiful and essential. And myth is essential to the ego of all people. But myth is not truth. Myth is based on folklore.”He observed that it is essential that people ...tell stories that make them feel good about themselves. But in doing this there is the danger of telling someone else’s story.

Functions of myth'
One of the foremost functions of myth is to establish models for behavior. The figures described in myth are often the result of circumstances which may have a moral interpretation. They are worthy role models of human beings because they embody certain combinations of human and animal traits. For example, the Centaur is part man, part beast. The upper body, being human is a symbol of rationality. The lower body, being of a horse is a symbol of animal instinct. The Centaur thus represents the uniquely human psychological challenge of animal instinct in relation to the rational mind. This example shows that myths are not only valuable due to cultural assumption (or 'spirituality'), but because they portray a set of symbols which can be interpreted morally. It is not necessary to introduce divine experience to explain these symbols, since a symbol is by definition a depiction of an idea in physical form. (bird = power, horse = beast, tree = knowledge).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rHDYESmrCQ
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"BEFORE THE WHITE MAN CAME"~ (THE LAST POETS)**

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SLIDESHOW
��� THE LAST POETS BEFORE THE WHITE MAN CAME LYRICS
Happy the days when once we roamedthe land completely free Good were the times when Village Heads dictated policy.Great was the hunting in those days abundant was the game Peaceful relations we all had Before the white man came

Tall was the stalks of corn we grew Large, the tobacco leaf Healthy our bodies and our minds Strong were our backs and teeth Many a moonlit night was spent dancing around the flame Never a hungry moment met Before the white man came.

Clear were the streams that cross this place Fishing was at its best Silver and Gold the trinkets we woreIn the finest of clothes we were dressedLarge were the herds of long horn steerand buffalo on the plains Full was the peace-pipe that we smoked Before the white man came.

And then the day of the curse arrived and they landed on these shores What manner of being is this? we said We've never seen them before But even so we extended them our hand As we would unto a friend How could we have known that syphilis and daps and plague had come with them.

And now it's been 400 years since that eventful day but if we had known what they had in mind They would all have died in the bay So now we are paying for our mistake with only ourselves to blame With memories of the good old years Before the white man came.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_dG9ElsWOk
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AS ABOVE SO BELOW ( SYMBOLISM)

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A CLOSER LOOK AT RELIGION,ASTROTHEOLOGY
��� Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George
Santayana

'The events which transpired five thousand years ago; Five years
ago or five minutes ago, have determined what will happen five minutes
from now; five years From now or five thousand years from now. All
history is a current event.'Dr. John Henrik Clarke

Jiddu
Krishnamurti on Hope Question: The hope that tomorrow will solve our
problems prevents our seeing the absolute urgency of change. How does
one deal with this?

Jiddu Krishnamurti - What do you mean by the
future, what is future? If one is desperately ill, tomorrow has meaning;
one may be healed by tomorrow. So one must ask, what is this sense of
future?

We know the past; we live in the past, which is the opposite
movement; and the past, going through the present, modifying itself,
moves to that which we call the future.

First of all, are we
aware that we live in the past - the past that is always modifying
itself, adjusting itself, expanding and contracting itself, but still
the past - past experience, past knowledge, past understanding, past
delight, the pleasure which has become the past?

The future is
the past, modified. So one's hope of the future is still the past moving
to what one considers to be the future. The mind never moves out of the
past. The future is always the mind acting, living, thinking in the
past.What is the past? It is one's racial inheritance, one's
conditioning as Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Catholic, American and so
on. It is the education one has received the hurts the delights, as
remembrances. That is the past. That is one's consciousness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN8rENwP204
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Black and Missing but Not Forgotten